# After TWP, The Cave **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [December 11, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141 "2017-12-11T08:53:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paul](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/paul/32/15080_2.png) [@Paul](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Paul)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/22 "2017-12-12T00:54:57Z")
What about Humongous Entertainment? The internets say\* you co-founded it and created a bunch of the characters and then the company was sold for like a gazillion dollars? And then it says “the co-founders tried to buy it back”? Are there secret Humongous royalties/sales millions stashed away somewhere? \*I am aware the internets are not always 100% accurate… ---
**Author:** ![RonGilbert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/rongilbert/32/7_2.png) [@RonGilbert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/RonGilbert)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/23 "2017-12-12T01:07:00Z")
That’s a long and painful story about selling the company to someone (GT interactive) that then went bankrupt and we got next to nothing (like most acquisitions, it was a stock deal). We then tried to buy the company back and the new owners (Infogram, which bought GT) and our investor got in a spat and the deal fell apart. What is it they say… what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. I keep telling myself that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Paul](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/paul/32/15080_2.png) [@Paul](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Paul)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/24 "2017-12-12T01:27:55Z")
This reminds me of when you hear about early blues guys and other musicians who established whole genres and recorded countless classics, but the labels bamboozled them into signing away the real money… I think it’s time to sell out, you’ve earned it… Make that FPS, racing, RPG, zombie sci-fi fantasy QTE blockbuster with payments for every add on and released in chapters, etc., filled with publicity-friendly gimmicks like in the art style of Picasso, etc. ---
**Author:** ![BigRedButton](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/bigredbutton/32/212_2.png) [@BigRedButton](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/BigRedButton)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/25 "2017-12-12T02:03:18Z")
Don’t let it get you down. 😉 > [@RonGilbert](#): > > Also, the case of The Cave and DeathSpank, I just really wanted to make the game, and my enthusiasm allows people to take advantage. That’s interesting, seeing the fact that DF was founded by someone who had created MI with you. I had actually thought that you were friends since then. Though, it’s nice to know that Clayton is a different kind of person. ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/26 "2017-12-12T08:26:20Z")
> [@RonGilbert](#): > > We’re both very proud of the game, and in the end, that’s all that matters. Right? Right! RIGHT! I liked Scurvy Scallywags (I showed you on my mobile, at Munich), but I admit that, except for the game itself, I’d never purchased any in-game item. But it’s not your fault, I do the same with every mobile game, I simply don’t like to spend my money in that way. ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/27 "2017-12-12T08:32:18Z")
> [@RonGilbert](#): > > It was, but the work was done by a contractor and about a year ago, Google made some changes and the game would crash on the newer OSs. @Someone I still have Scurvy Scallywags on my mobile with Android 4.4.2 . The only thing I could do for you, with Ron’s permission, is to extract the APK as a whole file and give it to you, but you must install it by enabling “install from unknown sources” option. ---
**Author:** ![Someone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@Someone](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Someone)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/28 "2017-12-12T10:00:36Z")
> [@RonGilbert](#): > > The contractor was not available to make any more changes, so I pulled it. The Android version did even worse then the iOS version. The problem is: I don’t have an iOS device. I would buy the game, but only if I can play it. 🙂 So if you see a chance to get it working on Android again, I will be one of your customers. 🙂 > [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > @Someone I still have Scurvy Scallywags on my mobile with Android 4.4.2 . The only thing I could do for you, with Ron’s permission, is to extract the APK as a whole file and give it to you, but you must install it by enabling “install from unknown sources” option. Thinks for the offer, but in this case Ron and his colleague won’t get the money. 🙂 (btw: I still own devices with Android 4.) @RonGilbert: Just an idea: Maybe you could offer the APK of the old Android version on your site and/or on [itch.io](http://itch.io) (or a similar store) with the explicit note, that it will only run on Android 4.x. So you get at least some money from enthusiasts like us. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/29 "2017-12-12T10:25:01Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > but in this case Ron and his colleague won’t get the money. You can make him a voluntary donation, any time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Someone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@Someone](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Someone)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/30 "2017-12-12T10:30:00Z")
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > You can make him a voluntary donation, any time! 😉 That’s up to @RonGilbert. I just don’t want to pirate the game. btw: Are there other users in this forum who would like to buy an Android version of the game? ---
**Author:** ![Ignacio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ignacio](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Ignacio)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/31 "2017-12-12T10:39:59Z")
I do! I also have an adroid device. ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/32 "2017-12-12T10:47:43Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > I just don’t want to pirate the game. Nor do I, since it is not available on the market anymore. There seems not to be other means to get the game. ---
**Author:** ![BigRedButton](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/bigredbutton/32/212_2.png) [@BigRedButton](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/BigRedButton)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/33 "2017-12-12T11:49:58Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > btw: Are there other users in this forum who would like to buy an Android version of the game? I would have been interested in it, but I don’t have a Google account (because I don’t want one). So, if there is another way to purchase the game legally, I am all ears. ---
**Author:** ![LogicDeLuxe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/logicdeluxe/32/15335_2.png) [@LogicDeLuxe](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/LogicDeLuxe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/34 "2017-12-12T12:26:37Z")
> [@Paul](#): > > This reminds me of when you hear about early blues guys and other musicians who established whole genres and recorded countless classics, but the labels bamboozled them into signing away the real money… Even worse, the musicians don’t decide what the albums may sound like. The record labels do, and they wreck the sound a lot, frequently to the dismay of the musicians. See [Loudness War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war), in which most musicians don’t want to participate. And most listeners don’t want this either. It’s pretty much pointless, but the record labels do this anyway. 🙉 ---
**Author:** ![Nor\_Treblig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/nor_treblig/32/216_2.png) [@Nor\_Treblig](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Nor_Treblig)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/35 "2017-12-12T14:06:32Z")
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > You can make him a voluntary donation, any time! 😉 Maybe he should open an account at Pat… no wait, scratch that. ---
**Author:** ![LowLevel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/lowlevel/32/48_2.png) [@LowLevel](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/LowLevel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/36 "2017-12-12T14:30:33Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > Thinks for the offer, but in this case Ron and his colleague won’t get the money. I may be wrong about this, but I remember that the Android version was free (to download and play). ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/37 "2017-12-12T14:31:27Z")
> [@Nor\_Treblig](#): > > Maybe he should open an account at Pat I confess that I had never heard of [the P-word] until I read that topic on this forum. Always used PayPal (I understand, they are two different things, that one is similar to kickstarter) ---
**Author:** ![Someone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@Someone](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Someone)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/38 "2017-12-12T15:07:52Z")
> [@Nor\_Treblig](#): > > Maybe he should open an account at Pat… no wait, scratch that. Are there any good alternatives or similar services? (Beside a “Donate via PayPal” button…) ---
**Author:** ![LowLevel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/lowlevel/32/48_2.png) [@LowLevel](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/LowLevel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/39 "2017-12-12T15:16:35Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > Are there any good alternatives or similar services? If you mean a service that gives you only a way to collect money by fan subscriptions, then a good alternative for a well-known person would be to use a personal website and accept payments with [Stripe subscriptions](https://stripe.com/subscriptions). If you mean a service that also includes a community of fans/creators, then I don’t know any of them beside Patreon. There is [Flattr](https://flattr.com/), but they use a very different model that I don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Nor\_Treblig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/nor_treblig/32/216_2.png) [@Nor\_Treblig](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Nor_Treblig)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/40 "2017-12-12T15:18:24Z")
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > the P-word Yes, it’s like crowdfunding but having a monthly recurring payment which can be used like an income. > [@Someone](#): > > Are there any good alternatives or similar services? I know of [Liberapay](https://liberapay.com/) which is similar but without reward structure (it’s more like just donations). ---
**Author:** ![RonGilbert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/rongilbert/32/7_2.png) [@RonGilbert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/RonGilbert)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141/41 "2017-12-12T16:14:33Z")
> [@BigRedButton](#): > > who had created MI with you Tim did not create Monkey Island with me… I was working on MI for over a year before he was hired to be a programmer. Dave, Tim and Steve Purcell did amazing work and I was fortunate to have them on the project, but don’t give Tim credit for stuff he didn’t do. [Previous page](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/after-twp-the-cave/2141.md?page=3)