# David Fox (with Annie Fox) and Noah Falstein in Germany in August! (+The price of pizza)
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**Created:** [April 30, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734 "2019-04-30T07:09:40Z")
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### Author:  [@Someone](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Someone)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/101 "2019-08-24T14:35:53Z")
> [@David](#):
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> tomorrow we leave for the Black Forest for the rest of our trip… we wanted to explore more of the countryside.
The land of the cuckoo clocks. It’s really sad to see that a lot of the towns there are tourist traps now. But it’s a nice region and worth a visit. 🙂
> [@Sushi](#):
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> Make sure you have some appropriate and impractical means of navigation to not get lost in the forest.
I would second this advise - and I mean it serious. (We are still trying to find an exit to the black forest…)
> [@Frenzie](#):
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> Do we even have “garbage disposal units” in Europe? 🤔
Not in Germany. Or to be precise: I’ve never seen one here.
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#):
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> Does he has to find a puddle and some radioactive water?
Yes! And he has to buy one of those cuckoo clocks! (\*)
(\*) Most of them are Made in China. And most of them are bought by Chinese tourists…
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### Author:  [@diessoli](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/diessoli)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/102 "2019-08-24T15:14:03Z")
No worries. Thanks for letting us know and enjoy the rest of the trip.
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### Author:  [@David](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/David)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/103 "2019-08-24T16:11:49Z")
Probably not on this trip. I think that’s kind of far from where we’ll be staying, in Gengenbach.
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### Author:  [@Sushi](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Sushi)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/104 "2019-08-24T16:20:28Z")
> [@Frenzie](#):
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> If I’d played Zak as a child I’d never have thought to do that except by random chance.
I can attest that I solved this one as a child and NOT by random chance!
We had a walkthrough for part 1 in a magazine 😁
But we used it very sparingly and I honestly cannot remember if we looked this one up or not. I do remember finding the solutions by myself to getting a bread (rather by accident) and retrieving those breadcrumbs without flushing them or anything. So most likely we looked it up when looking for breadcrumbs after trying to use it on the birdfeeder.
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### Author:  [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/105 "2019-08-24T18:56:32Z")
> [@Sushi](#):
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> finding the solutions by myself to getting a bread (rather by accident)
I found the bread more or less by accident too. I had entertained that something might happen if I tried a couple times as a possibility, but I didn’t expect something like that in a LucasArts title.
Trying to use the garbage disposal is something that was somehow immediately obvious to me as soon as I had it though. I carried breadcrumbs for ages not knowing what they were for until practically the end of the game. 😛
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### Author:  [@tlammert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/tlammert)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/106 "2019-08-26T08:40:31Z")
Hi David,
a few years ago we made a weekend trip to Gengenbach too. (Vereinsfahrt = Club ride??)
It´s a very lovely and small town.
We visted a very nice family distillery, and several other sites and had a lot of fun.
But what was really remarkable was when we made a hike with a guide to a small mill.
We walked already some time along a forest when we aproached a place to rest with a heavy wooden bench and a huge and massive wooden table. On the side on a tree was a chest.
Inside were some bottles of diferent schnapps from this region and some glases. You could just sit there and try the different ones. You could clean the glases in a little creek right beside it. And there was a little money box to donate for this “service”.
Something like this would never ever be possible were I live. The kids or somebody else would steal all the booze. Not to talk about there is a lot of alcohol just open for everyone and nobody sees it.
But for us it was great at this point. 😃
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### Author:  [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/107 "2019-08-26T08:44:30Z")
Is there a sign, like “drink and get drunk” ?
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### Author:  [@tlammert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/tlammert)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/108 "2019-08-26T09:05:37Z")
I can´t remember, but just googled it. I really found it. 🙂
That´s the Mill:
[http://www.vesper-muehle.de/](http://www.vesper-muehle.de/)
And that´s the “Schnapsbrunnen”:
[https://www.google.com/maps/place/Schnapsbrunnen/@48.3962492,8.0396115,514m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x8339f56a285debbc!2zTcO8bGxlcidzIE3DvGhsZQ!8m2!3d48.38749!4d8.04044!3m4!1s0x47912a62f08b07c9:0xe0b5175b0d951cf3!8m2!3d48.3963283!4d8.0404687](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Schnapsbrunnen/@48.3962492,8.0396115,514m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x8339f56a285debbc!2zTcO8bGxlcidzIE3DvGhsZQ!8m2!3d48.38749!4d8.04044!3m4!1s0x47912a62f08b07c9:0xe0b5175b0d951cf3!8m2!3d48.3963283!4d8.0404687)
Looks like they changed it, it´s way more comfortable now. 😆
Yeah and they have a sign:
It´s a rhyme saying: Hey take a seat, rest and get a shot. Please clean the glas and donate, thanks.
And it´s Video monitored now too.
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### Author:  [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/109 "2019-08-26T10:25:58Z")
David Fox has been given this original Zak McKracken action figure, printed in 3D.
The author, Marie Sydby, gave permission to everyone, to freely print this model, check out this tweet:
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### Author:  [@tlammert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/tlammert)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/110 "2019-08-26T11:38:20Z")
aaand ordered 😃
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### Author:  [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/111 "2019-08-26T12:05:14Z")
aaand me too!
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### Author:  [@Ema](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Ema)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/112 "2019-08-26T20:36:41Z")
> [@Frenzie](#):
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> Do we even have “garbage disposal units” in Europe?
Yes, we do. I have such an appliance in my sink. And I used to have it also in my previous home
TBH, I knew it from Zak and decided it was a practical and ecological idea, then decided to have one. And I’m the only guy I know who has it in Italy.
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### Author:  [@Someone](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Someone)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/113 "2019-08-26T21:27:07Z")
Was it difficult and/or expensive to get one?
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### Author:  [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/114 "2019-08-26T22:03:05Z")
You are the only guy I know in Europe who has that 😄
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### Author:  [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/115 "2019-08-27T07:02:42Z")
@Someone
Not hard at all ([article about online shops selling them](https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/node/13431)), but often implicitly or explicitly banned. In the Netherlands the device _itself_ isn’t banned like it is in Belgium, but draining trash into the sewer system is. So you could install one, just not use it. (I suspect chances of being discovered as a regular household are slim to none.)
[This study](https://repository.tudelft.nl/islandora/object/uuid:5c73a88a-2d2e-4749-b687-4e9967139584?collection=research) says there’s basically no effect on the sewer system with regard to blockages if no warm water is used as recommended by the manufacturer. (Methinks the engineers should consider that loads of people are going to use warm water regardless what manufacturers recommend, lulz.)
Dutch government letter from '05 about the disposal ban:
> **[\[PDF\] Verbod lozing vanuit een voedselrestenvermaler blijft - Free Download PDF](https://docspike.com/download/verbod-lozing-vanuit-een-voedselrestenvermaler-blijft_pdf)**
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> Download Verbod lozing vanuit een voedselrestenvermaler blijft...
> **[Küchenabfallzerkleinerer | Rechtliche Situation](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCchenabfallzerkleinerer#Rechtliche_Situation)**
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> In der EU können Küchenabfallzerkleinerer zugelassen werden. So heißt es in EN 12056-1 Kapitel 4, Absatz 6: „Die Anforderungen an die Qualität und die Volumenströme von Abwasser, welches direkt in das öffentliche Kanalnetz eingeleitet wird, sind Gegenstand nationaler und regionaler Vorschriften und technischer Regeln und sind einzuhalten. Das Eindringen von Stoffen in die Anlage, die deren Wirksamkeit stören oder die von den zuständigen Behörden nicht zugelassen sind, ist zu verhindern. Nationale...
> In [Deutschland](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland) wird eine solche Zulassung, wie in vielen EU-Ländern auch, zumeist abgelehnt. DIN 1986-100, Nr. 6.5 vom Oktober 2001:[[4]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCchenabfallzerkleinerer#cite_note-4) „Zerkleinerungsgeräte für Küchenabfälle, Müll, Papier usw. sowie Handtuchspender mit Spülvorrichtung, bei denen das zerkleinerte Spülgut in die Entwässerungsanlage gelangen kann, dürfen nicht an die Abwasseranlage angeschlossen werden,“[[5]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCchenabfallzerkleinerer#cite_note-5) allerdings wird das Gerät in der Nachfolgeregelung 12056 nicht mehr erwähnt. Es gibt in Deutschland kein nationales Verbot, einzelne Gemeinden verbieten aber Abfälle, auch zerkleinerte, in ihren Entwässerungssatzungen.
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### Author:  [@Sushi](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Sushi)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/116 "2019-08-27T16:26:24Z")
“Voedselrestenvermaler”
Thanks, I’ll need that to continue/complete my Dutch translation of Zak!
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### Author:  [@Ema](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Ema)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/117 "2019-08-27T21:13:54Z")
> [@Someone](#):
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> Was it difficult and/or expensive to get one?
Difficult. Nah. When buying my kitchen, I asked the guy for it. He didn’t lift an eyebrow. He showed me his catalog, with models ranging from €200 to €800.
I chose a €300 one. Well, less than a dishwasher, anyway.
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### Author:  [@Ema](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Ema)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/118 "2019-08-27T21:17:01Z")
> [@Frenzie](#):
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> but often implicitly or explicitly banned
I made a research before buying it, and I discovered in Italy there’s a law which allows them, and even offer a discount on your TARI (Waste tax) if you install it.
Anyway, since these appliances are very seldom used in Italy, I think that tax discount is merely a theoretical thing.
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### Author:  [@David](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/David)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/119 "2019-08-27T22:12:24Z")
Sounds pretty amazing. Thanks for doing the research and looking it up. Not sure if we’ll attempt to go, but I really like the story.
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### Author:  [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2019, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/david-fox-with-annie-fox-and-noah-falstein-in-germany-in-august-the-price-of-pizza/3734/120 "2019-08-28T06:11:35Z")
> [@Ema](#):
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> I discovered in Italy there’s a law which allows them, and even offer a discount on your TARI (Waste tax) if you install it.
A discount? So you’re supposed to put all food waste in there?
Not that it would be much for us; besides the compost we barely have any. It’d be convenient to dispose that way of a piece of chicken or something the cats didn’t like though, but most of our cat waste is actually stuff like chicken fat that decidedly shouldn’t go down that way.
On reflection it does seem that ground up food waste should in effect be similar to other organic matter (i.e., poop). [This paper](http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.535.2690&rep=rep1&type=pdf) is about a refuse treatment facility with overcapacity.
An interesting quote from that one:
> New York City expressly prohibited the use of food waste disposers in the beginning of the 1970s (Wicke, 1987). The reason for this was among other things an overflow of untreated wastewater. Therefore, it was desired not to introduce unnecessarily large amounts of organic material by permitting the installation of disposers.
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> This ban in New York apparently provoked a large number of studies in the United States, praising the food waste disposer in the same unreflecting way some European studies have vilified it.
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