# Delores: Finnish translation **URL:** \ **Category:** Delores Engine\ **Created:** [June 2, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342 "2020-06-02T18:26:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vit\_Condak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/vit_condak/32/3059_2.png) [@Vit\_Condak](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Vit_Condak)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/21 "2020-06-16T21:51:08Z")
Those suffixes -sta and -nen are the same for all nouns? I.e. do they serve as prepositions placed after the noun? Kind of like “Look speck-of-dust-at” and “Pick speck-of-dust-up”? ---
**Author:** ![Vit\_Condak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/vit_condak/32/3059_2.png) [@Vit\_Condak](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Vit_Condak)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/22 "2020-06-16T22:13:01Z")
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > you don’t translate The Huffington Post either Are you sure? Some nations translate even names of foreign cities: Nowy York (Polish) or Nuova York (although now I see it’s considered dated…?) I remember some Czech hockey player complaining that the Finnish language rarely imports foreign words and that it usually uses its own words. The whole Europe uses a telephone or a telefon but the Finns have “puhelin” so I expect Finns to translate at least “Post”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/zakphoenixmckracken/32/41_2.png) [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/ZakPhoenixMcKracken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/23 "2020-06-17T01:39:58Z")
> [@Vit\_Condak](#): > > Some nations translate even names of foreign cities: Nowy York (Polish) or Nuova York Well, during the fascist period (1922-1943) every foreign name was forbidden, and translated in Italian. Even city names, like “Nuova York”. But it’s a thing of the past, at least in Italy. France, for instance, is more nationalist. Still, French people don’t use bytes. They use _octets_. There are no computers, but _ordinateurs_. ---
**Author:** ![RonGilbert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/rongilbert/32/7_2.png) [@RonGilbert](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/RonGilbert)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/24 "2020-06-17T01:58:35Z")
I suggest we all speak in the binary language of moisture evaporators. ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/25 "2020-06-17T04:14:41Z")
Not at all 😅 Look at cat = Katso kissa_a_ Pick up cat = Ota kissa Look at telephone = Katso puhelin_ta_ Pick up telephone = Ota puhelin Look at water = Katso ve_ttä_ (where _vesi_ is the base form) Pick up water = Ota ve_ttä_ Look at snow = Katso lu_nta_ (where _lumi_ is the base form) Pick up snow = Ota lu_nta_ Look at horse = Katso hevo_sta_ (where _hevonen_ is the base form) Pick up horse = Ota hevonen Look at shrew = Katso päästäi_stä_ (where _päästäinen_ is the base form) Pick up shrew = Ota päästäinen Look at pants = Katso housu_ja_ (where _housut_ is the base form) Pick up pants = Ota housut Look at scissors = Katso saks_ia_ (where _sakset_ is the base form) Pick up scissors = Ota sakset Look at child = Katso lasta (where _lapsi_ is the base form) Look spatula = Katso, lasta 😅 Pick up child = Ota lapsi I had _pick up_ = _poimi_ in the game, but I think I’ll change that to _take_ = _ota_. ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/26 "2020-06-17T04:27:01Z")
We don’t actually (mostly) translate names. New York is New York, Milano is Milano, München is München, people’s names are what they are. But there are some exceptions, e.g. London is Lontoo, Stockholm is Tukholma, Москва is Moskova, 東京 is Tokio, and many country names are translated too (Ranska, Saksa, Iso-Britannia, Yhdysvallat, Venäjä…). Papers’ names are never translated. For the game translation it’s mostly a matter of deciding where the town is located. If it’s in USA, the names should not be translated. If it would be “translocated” to Finland, the names should be translated. I decided not to move the whole city to another continent 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sushi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/sushi/32/163_2.png) [@Sushi](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Sushi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/27 "2020-06-17T06:55:56Z")
> [@Festarossa](#): > > Turn NOUN1 on/off +1 for Dutch ---
**Author:** ![Sushi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/sushi/32/163_2.png) [@Sushi](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Sushi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/28 "2020-06-17T07:04:41Z")
> [@Vit\_Condak](#): > > The whole Europe uses a telephone or a telefon but the Finns have “puhelin” I thought they used a “nokia” 🥁 ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/29 "2020-06-17T07:23:09Z")
That’s a [town](https://goo.gl/maps/kGRSvkzxEssPfkqu8) near Tampere. ---
**Author:** ![Frenzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/frenzie/32/4416_2.png) [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/30 "2020-06-17T07:25:03Z")
> [@Vit\_Condak](#): > > puhelin It doesn’t sound unlike “phone” to me. 😉 Nonsense etymology incoming… Phone → Puh-hone. Puh-hone + German diminutive suffix `-lin` = Puh-ho-lin. I think it could work in Dutch: Ik bel je morgen op m’n fonelien. Ik bel je morgen op m’n fonelientje. Moreover, they exist in the UK! [https://www.fonelineromford.co.uk/](https://www.fonelineromford.co.uk/) (What do you mean that’s “line” and not “leen”? 😉 ) > Foneline was founded in 1982 and we specialise in the supply, installation and maintenance of Telephone systems, Network solutions, CCTV and Access control systems. We also supply telephone equipment nationwide at very competitive prices. Please contact us for a free quotation. ---
**Author:** ![Guga](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/guga/32/14476_2.png) [@Guga](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Guga)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/31 "2020-06-17T07:51:49Z")
I miss the days when the whole world\* just spoke Latin \*well, the world that counted, of course 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/32 "2020-06-17T08:29:09Z")
😀 In Finnish the telephone was actually called ‘telefooni’ until early 1900s, when ‘puhelin’ replaced it. Etymology of puhelin, according to Wikipedia, is ‘puhella’ (talk with oneself) + ‘in’, but I would say a better explanation is that two words are combined: ‘puhe’ (a speech) + ‘elin’ (an organ). ---
**Author:** ![Frenzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/frenzie/32/4416_2.png) [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/33 "2020-06-17T09:07:15Z")
As I’m sure you know _phone_ is Greek for speech (and _tele-_ is Greek for distance), so it’s still intriguingly similar even if Finnish is not an Indo-European language. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nor\_Treblig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/nor_treblig/32/216_2.png) [@Nor\_Treblig](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Nor_Treblig)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/34 "2020-06-17T09:47:36Z")
In German mobile phones are typically called _Handy_. This probably sounds strange to a lot of foreigners (it comes from _hand_-telephone and has nothing to do with the English word _handy_). ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/35 "2020-06-17T09:56:46Z")
In Finland the mobile phones have been called _kännykkä_ since 1977, which means exactly the same as in German. ---
**Author:** ![Vit\_Condak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/vit_condak/32/3059_2.png) [@Vit\_Condak](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Vit_Condak)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/36 "2020-06-17T10:28:04Z")
> [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > during the fascist period (1922-1943) every foreign name was forbidden, and translated in Italian. It’s interesting that some kinds of government like to control even words. 😏 > [@ZakPhoenixMcKracken](#): > > There are no computers, but _ordinateurs_ . Well, the Czechs are also a bit guilty of this. The official word is “počítač” (počítat = to count, so it’s very similar to “ordinateur” or “der Rechner”) but there other colloquial words derived from English - mostly “komp” or “pecko” (derived from “PC”). However my favorite is “mogbuk” which comes from a misspelled personal ad that went viral: “Selling mogbuk - like computer.” ---
**Author:** ![Festarossa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/festarossa/32/15_2.png) [@Festarossa](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Festarossa)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/37 "2020-06-17T10:31:10Z")
Well… in Finnish a computer is _tietokone_, an information (or knowing) machine 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vit\_Condak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/vit_condak/32/3059_2.png) [@Vit\_Condak](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Vit_Condak)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/38 "2020-06-17T10:36:16Z")
I see - so these are basically cases. Your list made me to look at Wikipedia… > **[Finnish noun cases](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_noun_cases)** > > Finnish nominals, which include pronouns, adjectives, and numerals, are declined in a large number of grammatical cases, whose uses and meanings are detailed here. See also Finnish grammar. > Many meanings expressed by case markings in Finnish correspond to phrases or expressions containing prepositions in most Indo-European languages. Because so much information is coded in Finnish through its cases, the use of adpositions (postpositions in this case) is more limited than in English, for instance... … and its list seems to be more friendly with less exceptions - or just too simplified. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frenzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/frenzie/32/4416_2.png) [@Frenzie](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Frenzie)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/39 "2020-06-17T10:42:19Z")
> [@Vit\_Condak](#): > > Well, the Czechs are also a bit guilty of this. A _computer_ is a person who performs calculations. Then there’s the device, also called _computer_, that made it so that person’s now out of a job. In Dutch those were _rekenaars_ (cf. German _Rechner_), but in French they were _calculateurs_. In any case it’s not like it’s a “new” word; we simply happened to borrow the word _computer_ for the new device but it could’ve easily become a _rekenaar_. The difference is that in Dutch it would’ve happened organically while in French there’s an academy wagging its finger about saying _computer_’s an English loanword, use _ordinateur_ instead! ---
**Author:** ![Vit\_Condak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forums.thimbleweedpark.com/vit_condak/32/3059_2.png) [@Vit\_Condak](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/u/Vit_Condak)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342/40 "2020-06-17T11:23:41Z")
> [@Frenzie](#): > > in French there’s an academy wagging its finger about saying _computer_ ’s an English loanword, use _ordinateur_ instead! Spot on. 😀 I find the French case very strange. There were similar trends in Czech language during 18th and 19th centuries because of the pressure of Austrian German so the nationalists were trying to get rid of German words and “clean the language” but it almost stopped before the end of 19th century even though Austrian government continued until 1918. I always felt it’s a psychological complex of small nations but French is one of the biggest languages in the world (#15) and still it feels the urge to fight against other languages (mostly English). [Previous page](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.thimbleweedpark.com/t/delores-finnish-translation/4342.md?page=3)