But this is valid for all verbs: If the game allows you to read everything, you have to read everything, because it could be necessary… But in a good adventure game this shouldn’t be necessary - and I agree with @uriel.
btw: Was your question meant to add these two verbs to the existing ones or would you like to change the puzzles too? This is a huge difference because in the latter case you would change the game …
It’s complicated… I think a good game needs to have so many combinations that it becomes clear that you are not supposed to try them all. But in practice with dialog options this is difficult; they won’t be many; so people tend to assume they are supposed to try them all. (And then the developer starts assuming people will try them all…)
I don’t think Zak has an absence of “look” per se. It felt like a half-way point between the “read” of MM and the “look” of MI/Indy4/whatever.
The main problem with a lack of a talk verb is that you can’t easily get a repeat of what you need to do if you drop the game for a week or two. But this isn’t a problem with the lack of the talk verb per se. Various characters (like the shaman) spontaneously say things, just not necessarily all the pertinent things.
In the talk implementation you’d have, e.g.:
ask about the crystal
ask about the dance
But he might just as well have blurted out two short sentences instead of one. Don’t come back until… and btw I’ll take $1000.
I didn’t really miss talk, perhaps because I played the game in 2018 with an annoyingly small but nevertheless not unreasonable number of 99 save slots. It could’ve been fun to have a dialog puzzle with the King, I suppose. But one doesn’t need a talk verb to do dialog puzzles!
Puzzles are just a fancy word. I suppose you could call them the quick time events of adventure games, but surely going through all the dialog trees in games like Monkey Island and Discworld was an extremely large part of the appeal? You could just go straight for the finish line, but that’s like playing Rise of the Tomb Raider without doing the “optional” challenge tombs. Those are an extremely big part of why we play the game in the first place.
(An awful lot of the modern Tomb Raider games is just filler between the “optional” parts.)
With the way those older games work, i can already imagine looking at hieroglyphs and getting “a bunch of hieroglyphs” but “the hieroglyphs say…” when you read instead.
Right. But I can’t help thinking that it was then that adventure games took a major shift that changed their nature and eventually led nowhere. (because ultimately the people that want to be entertained by witty dialogue and the people who want a mental challenge are different, and their intersection is very small)