I’m not sure these are even villains. I agree with Baron here that the original pirate leaders are pretty useless. I think they just don’t trust Guybrush cause they associate him with the older generation of useless pirates. But we’ll have to wait till the game comes out to actually know ofc lol
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Well, I’ll tell you, I think that from all of this we can learn how to deal with frustration, disappointment, and irritating cynicism.
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Life was simpler back when everyone was just mad about the cocknose.
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I’m not gonna answer to the far left or far right or equality stuff, if you don’t mind, because we’re getting too political here, and I don’t think that’s the goal of this thread.
Besides that, as I said, yes, I agree with the “what message” part ; we don’t have enough information to conclude anything.
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Exactly. That’s kinda my entire point. It’s a new Monkey Island game (ya know, that silly and humorous game about pirates and voodoo magic?). Can we please keep the “here’s my political agenda” BS out of it please, people?
Does it have one? 
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I think that, if Ron and Dave do want the game to have a morale, and judging by the interviews, it seems it will be the case, it will be more on a philosophical standpoint than a political standpoint.
Does it have one?
I guess not, ha, ha.
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I like the fact that we are already talking about it nostalgically and the game is not even out yet.
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Agreed, 100%. I really don’t see either of them returning to the Monkey Island series just in order to metaphorically shout their social political views through a megaphone. That’s so not what Monkey Island is about.
Pivoting that… there was a comment about it feeling like the New Pirate Leaders, if seen as antagonists, could feel like Ron is writing them as the “video game industry” today being bad and making things worse.
That’s another thing to hope against, as it feels relatedly problemstic.
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That’s so not what Disney would allow.
I honestly just think that the new Pirate Leaders are hip and trendy young folk taking over from the old guard. People are reading way too much into a simple premise.
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Even that. I hope it’s not a case of “hip and trendy young folk taking over from the old guard, and making things worse”.
EDIT: “New things are bad” is the problematic message, if it exists.
I really don’t think it will be the case.
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This was my second thought when I saw the trailer and it’s pretty much always on my mind when new footage comes out. But it’s not up to us to decide, so it will be whatever it will be.
I think it will at least talk about Dave and Ron, as devs. They said the game will be autobiographical and, in a recent interview, Ron said that the story is about Guybrush being frustrated about something from his past that wasn’t resolve, and that, in a way, it’s about him.
So I don’t think seeing metaphors in the young leaders is that far-fetched.
I think it will talk about adventure games, like Thimbleweed Park did, in a way.
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Are the old pirate leaders antagonists? No, they’re seen as allies by players. I don’t think the old pirate leaders are antagonists. But they send a teenage Guybrush on a dangerous yet trivial fetch quest because they can’t solve their own LeChuck problem. The three trials contain the only sequence in a MI game that Guybrush can DIE die. Like, game over reload your save die. And then, the old pirate leaders just vanish from the game world when shit gets real.
Why are people assuming the new pirate leaders are antagonists? Because they have replaced the old ones? Because they’re curt with Guybrush?
Guybrush deserves it tbf.
I like the new pirate leaders. Get his ass.
In MI1, the damsel in distress saves herself, then the protagonist tells her never to pay more than twenty bucks for a computer game. Also, the only cop in the game is literally LeChuck, so ACAB (to that one guy).
It is ha ha silly monkey game with spit and burp jokes. But political? Always has been.
Although I get politics being a bummer to discuss as well. Its fine. I agree.
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I think it’s because they are rude to Guybrush in the clip. Also, the summary implies that Madison will be a threat to Guybrush, that Mêlée Island changed for the worst with her in command.
I however think they will be the kind of characters that we initially hate then learn to love.
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Yeah, Madison is rude. But she’s no more rude than Carla was. She’s nicer than Morgan LeFlay was! And… well, Morgan is an antagonist turned ally, so I agree. I can see the pirate leaders following a similar arc.
Did Melee go downhill because of the new pirate leaders? Or did it go downhill, plus there’s new pirate leaders? I understand getting that impression from the blurb, but it could read either way imo
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I mean… I’m walking into this with the perspective that RMI is the “hip new” thing, partially from Rex’s art direction and partially from the contrast to the 30 years of Monkey Island that has existed in a reality separate from Ron’s ideas about it.
Hopefully the narrative won’t try to convince me that hip new things are disastrous to society. 
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